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get a deal on the fiscal cliff - $21.60 is the 52-week high - if a fiscal cliff deal gets done, it breaks through $20, i think it has an upside measure/move target of $21.60. so i am going to be looking to be a buyer above $20. > good to have you on the show. that is andrew keene, president of keeneonthemarket.com. > > thank you. we are running out of time for today. coming up tomorrow: the behind-the-scenes story on why the plug was pulled on circuit city. from all of us at first business, have a great monday! . >>> a homicide investigation in san francisco, the unusual way the victim was found and why police need your help. >>> we have more on the missing man police are looking for this morning. >>> it could affect your drive, it's all ahead on the ktvu channel 2 morning news. this is ktvu channel 2 morning news. >> good morning, thank you for joining us this monday morning, i am pam cook. >> let's see how long this will last, steve. >> two days. >> it's cold at night. >> it is going to
to hear from somebody who says a deal on the fiscal cliff could have already been reached if only lawmakers took a page out of wall street's deal making strategy of keeping things behind closed doors. where have we heard that before? >>> plus, secretary tim geithner with us exclusively. will the white house let our economy go over the fiscal cliff if a deal on higher tax rates for the wealthy is not reached? we're checking it out. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. it's easy to follow the progress you're making toward all your financial goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. >>> welcome back. this very public negotiation on the fiscal cliff still does not seem to be closing in on a deal. the white house out in campaign style events regularly, mak
a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you start to tango, you have a chance. >> chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> part of that tango is republicans cracking on tax rates. that's what president obama will be talking about in michigan today. keeping the public pressure on. but the part for the administrator point of view, tyler, is what do they live john boehner so he can bring his troops along, entitlement, spending cuts, to tell their members we got a good deal. >> john, i find it curious to find that president spent as much time as he has on the road trying to drum up support for this deal. we just had an election all about this. why does not white house figure that these kinds of appearances are helpful when both sides positions are pretty well locked in already? >> because this president and this white house have concluded that public pressure is what will make republicans bargain with him and deal on his t
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very much for helping us out. >>> now folks, we switch gears back. we still have no fiscal cliff deal, but there's talk between president obama and tim geithner. congress has adjourned for a long weekend. that's kind of insane. eamon javers joins us. >> reporter: the president began his day this morning before an audience of business leaders and he continued his campaign of persuasion amongst some of the nation's top ceos. >> i am passionately rooting for your success. because if the companies in this room are doing well, then small businesses and medium sized businesses up and down the chain are doing well. if companies in this room are doing well, then folks get jobs, consumers get confidence, and we're going to be able to compete around the world. >> and then larry, later in the afternoon, our steve leishman sat down with treasury secretary tim geithner. geithner in that interview late in the afternoon made it clear that this is brinksmanship of the highest order. >> i want to understand the administration's position when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy. those making more
if you get a fiscal cliff deal, it will be mildly inflationary. that may actually raise rates, even if the fed keeps buying bonds. we actually need to see rates up in order to get real excited about the banks. >> that's a good point. we continue to watch facebook. flirting with 28. and apple here at $5.40. we'll see how it manages that resistance. bob pisani is on the floor with more. >> still talking about the fiscal cliff and how little reaction we'll get with the markets. up 60 points in the dow right now. there's no particular worry out there. they believe that a deal is going to happen. if you look at the vix, for example, not only are they not moving, they're not moving out of any range, but they're moving in an even tighter spread than they normally do. the relationship between vix and vix futures is squashed down. this is the deal, the republicans will agree to tax increases, and very quickly this week we'll turn to debate on what kind of spending cuts there's going to be, and dealing with entitlements. they believe a deal is coming, we'll see. i espoused this a couple of we
. >>> let's see where we do stand on the fiscal cliff deal. let's look at our "rise above" meter. time to stop talking and start actle. we were at a half-way point, now back to a quarter on the "rise above" meter, closing to no deal than deal. >>> lawmakers trying to solve the fiscal cliff issue. police trying to solve a burglary at the home of california congressman darrel issa. according to reports, more than 50 pieces of jewelry worth about $100,000 were stolen from the congressman's home on november 29th. watches, earrings, rings, bracelets involved and what issa spokesperson calls irreplaceable family air looms. >>> to the jobs report today. super storm sandy slammed the east coast but it looks like it didn't have all that much impact on the labor market. november jobs numbers coming in much stronger than expected. steve leisman who's had a very busy week here to talk about the numbers and put it in context for us. >> hi, sue. no substantive sandy in the jobs numbers. the lack of sandy effect has us scratching our heads, what they said. i just got off the phone with the guy who's
and counting away from the fiscal cliff, but are we any closer to a deal than we were yesterday? eamon javers is in washington making a career out of this story. he's got the latest on the negotiations. >> hi, bill. the battle for public perception here in the fiscal cliff fight continues today. the president visiting a middle class family in northern virginia who he said would be hurt by tax increases if those come to pass at the end of this year. the president saying that republicans simply need to come to terms and a deal with him. take a listen to what the president had to say out in the living room of this family in northern virginia. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> so, bill, the president using the power of the bully pulpit there and image making. it's the power the president has to shift the debate here. republicans don't seem to have caved in just yet. we're going t
much indeed. >> the so the president has made it very, very clear, drawn a line, no fiscal cliff deal without higher tax rates for the highest earningers, tax rates have got to go up. question, what will speaker boehner have to say about that? his reaction will be new at ten this morning. mark stein is going to be here as well and he'll join us to explore that and more. we have an oil and mining deal to tell, but. freeport mcmoran and copper and gold will have exploration and two separate deals for 9 billion in cash and stock. i'm not quite sure what all of that means. just tell me the stock price, nicole. >> it means big moves for these two stocks here. freeport mcmoran is now down over 15%, but when you look at plains exploration and production, a big mover to the upside and that's up 23. stuart: i'm trying to get this. freeport mcmoran, they're the ones that are doing the buying and plains exploration are the people who are being bought. so the people who are being bought go up because they're paying a high price and the people who are paying the money out are going down. have i go
with the decisions? what do americans, average americans, want to see in a fiscal cliff deal? steve leisman here now with our exclusive results of the cnbc all-america economic survey. what do americans want, steve? >> what you would expect. free stuff, tyler. actually, no, we'll get into that in a second. first we want to show you results of our december cnbc all-america survey. what we asked about the fiscal cliff. the first thing we wanted to establish is do people know about this thing? we looked at some of the other times we've asked this. what we'll see right here is other situations where they knew it, where other main stories that were out there. for example, the trayvon martin shooting. 91% of americans knew about that. occupy wall street, 80%. going forward what you have here, facebook, 72%. all the way down to 70%. you can look at this a couple ways. here's the greek financial crisis. 30% of the public not really paying attention to. inside that 70% number, 36% have know a lot about it. we'll compare with other stuff we asked last time about when they had a debt -- big deficit debate. we
pressure as part of a broader fiscal cliff deal. there's an article on the front page of today's "wall street journal" that highlights other ways people are trying to take advantage of the certainty over the final few weeks of 2012. some of the examples they cite are people said to be accelerating large medical expenses for this year and selling appreciated stock in some cases even prepaying their mortgages so they can make sure they get the mortgage interest deduction. and, bob, you think -- for a lot of people that won't matter? >> you have the amt. so if you take excessive deductions, they just disappear. which is one of the things about all of this about limiting these deductions which is kind of silly because the amt does it in the aggregate. and of course the amt is grabbing more and more people and it's one of the things they want to reform, but if they reform it, they have to raise taxes someplace else. so it's confusing. >> but that's the worst part of it, a simpler tax code that someone could actually understand and now how things work that allows less room for loophole so is
to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. senate majority leader harry reid just took the floor. he tried to get a vote on the fiscal cliff deal at 1:30, but minority leader mitch mcconnell, republican objected to that proposal saying i matter of such importance, 60 vote threshold, majority was born to do. now it will not happen, no vote today on the debt ceiling, fiscal cliff proposal to basically the breaking news is we're back where we started. melissa: what is the hottest stock on wall street these days. trading under. the bidding war for my favorite bank analyst. i love dick bove. speaker he is in purgatory. a billion dollars unauthorized trade was described as a rogue trader. presumption of innocence, he was arrested earlier in the week. take the firm, the firm has been closed down since then. dick bove has been in purgatory. sources are telling us bove reseed essentially 17 offers to join him, he is now down to five, he has contracted form in five firms. he believes he'll be making the decision on which of these five firms he will go to in the coming days. he says he is close to a
francis. lori: i am lori rothman. the president saying we can get a fiscal cliff deal done in one week but wall street not so sure. recession warning coming up.
now than there was six months ago, how does that work? there was no fiscal cliff deal six months from now and still no deal. so i'm not sure why we think there's more uncertainty. i would say if you really think about it the president has a lot of ways to delay the impact. for example, our withholding table don't have to get change order january 1. even if you haven't struck a deal, you don't adjust the withholding tables. for now you can delay the pain. so there is wiggle room in terms of when the impact has to be felt. >> but is there where wiggle rom the investing world who looks at the united states and says these guys are a bunch of keystone cops. this cost us with the last round of negotiations back in the summer of 2011 when the debt rating agencies said if you can't find some civil way to talk to each other, we're going to cut your rating. >> it was nice seeing the ratings agencies make a comments on u.s. democracy. that was helpful. i think, though, is there some deal that can be struck, yes. when does it get done, i think it's probably less important to be better before year
. congress had trouble putting together a deal. now the u.s. may be heading for the fiscal cliff. what does that mean for you and your investments? we have the jobs report today for a brief moment. we weren't worried about the fiscal cliff. now, we are back. what do you make of it? >> the jobs report was okay. there are some signs of very modest improvement in jobs. the good news is we have not really lost momentum and i will put that in the victory column. from a very short-term perspective, it is the fiscal cliff that is on everyone's mind. consumer sentiment is starting to decline. that suggested everyone seems to be focused on the fiscal cliff. when you are focused on uncertainty, what do you do, you do nothing. those are the major implementations for the economy. cheryl: i can hear the hesitancy in your voice. a lot of our guests are saying the same thing. they are afraid of what washington will do or maybe not do. your outlook is a bit more bullish than some of your colleagues. what are you saying in the second half of 2013 that others are not? >> on a very short-term basis, we have n
a deal on the fiscal cliff, or that they drag it out over a number of months. and that that really erodes confidence. >> repoer: against that backdrop, the federal reserve is trying to do all it can to help the economy. the central bank is widely expected to announce an extension of its bond buying program when it meets next week. erika miller, "n.b.r.," new york. >> tom: with the fiscal cliff about three weeks away, washington hasn't made much progress to avoid it. that was the assessment from one of those directly involved: house speaker john boehner. the top republican today accused president obama of, "slow walking", the economy to the edge of the cliff. he repeated his call for the president to send congress a plan that can pass both houses of congress. tax rates are the major sticking point. the president wants to raise them for america's highest earners, house republicans strongly oppose: >> instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue
and the president have 24 days to reach a deal, before the fiscal cliff's tax hikes and spending cuts take effect. >> susie: mark zandi says "bad things will happen to the economy pretty fast" if lawmakers don't settle the fiscal cliff issue. he's chief economist of moody's analytics. so mark falling off the fiscal cliff means bad things. how bad? >> it could be quite bad, susie. i don't think it's if we get into january and we haven't settled this but if house makers haven't nailed this down by early february, i think stock investors, bond investors will start to get very very nervous, start selling, risky businesses pull back and by the end of february when we start approaching the ceiling for the debt limit, i think we'll be back in recession. it will be a fairly severe recession. so policy makers have a few weeks but not much more than that. they have to get this together. >> susie: some people are saying that today's jobs report is very encouraging and that you can look at this as a way that maybe the economy can handle some stuff belt tightening because things are looking a little bit bett
the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> our obligation is first do no harl. we need to lift that threat over the economy. and now as part of that, we'd like to put in place as i said a carefully designed mix of reforms to put our fiscal balance in the path of sustainability. as long as there is recognition by the other side that those rates will go up, we think we can reach an agreement on the set of reforms as i said that will be good for the economy. >> republicans were quick to hit back. orrin hatch called them stunning and irresponsible, but there may be more cracks in the ranks. "washington post" reports some moderate and conservative republicans are calling on boehner to concede on taxes now while he still has leverage to ask for something in return l
some sort of fiscal cliff deal together. ayman, you've been tweeting this morning already about some characterizations about the discussions between the speaker and the president in recent days. >> that's right. a republican source told nbc news that the conversation that the president and speaker had on the phone yesterday, lasted for only 15 minutes, and they described it as, quote, tense, unquote. and that may have something to do with the fact that the president lowered his request in his latest proposal to the house republicans from $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues to $1.4 trillion. clearly as you can see here, the republicans don't think that's enough. they want the president to come out publicly now with some specific spending cuts. now, there's some question whether or not behind the scenes the president has offered significant spending cuts. the president says yes, the house republicans say no. they say the democrats have taken so much off the table that all that's left there is the varnish. there's clearly a gloomy assessment here in washington, carl. >> ayman, we'll be co
and small businesses. >> i've got to ask you. we've got a fiscal cliff meeting deal here sitting t 50% that we get a deal done. where would you put it at? >> i'm probably more optimistic about that. i'm probably more in the 60/40 range. the speaker's a good negotiator. i think honestly from position of strength on a lot of these things. i think the president takes his job seriously too. going over the fiscal cliff is not good for anyone. it bothers me sometimes if i hear people on both the left and the right entertain this is something that might be good politics. may be good politics for somebody, but it's bad economics for the american economy and more important for people looking for a job and people trying to hold on to a job. >> last question. i want to go back to the premise that you and other republican members of the house would be willing to allow that top tier tax rate to go higher. you know, speaker boehner's argument all this time is that it doesn't effect just those top-earning americans, but it also effects the small business owners in this country. the job creators in t
are out there on this fiscal cliff story? we seem to feel that there's a deal in the air. why else do we see such optimism today? rick? >> oh, for me? i'm sorry. i'll tell you what, maria, i'm not sure what's going on in washington. i'm not sure who those republicans are. i'm not so sure on whether the fiscal conservatives in the party know something about some big reforms on medicare and medica medicare, social security is, any of the retirement or tax issues, but i'll tell you this. i think that all these stories aren't necessarily going lead us to the truth. i personally have a very size way i'm approaching this. the president is supposed to leave for a 21-day vacation in hawaii on december 17th. where he is on december 18th will tell me, and i think the markets will pay attention. i find it hard to believe, and i agree with bill and many, who are very not amused by the house taking their long weekend. i'm sure that the president would have no intentions of leaving until these issues are resolved. i think the market is being kind, but i think it's a timing issue. >> yeah, i think that
on that in a moment. >> investment banks paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. we'll find out what it will take to get deals going once again. >> we expect the president to speak on the fiscal cliff before the business roundtable. we'll bring you his comments live. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs taking a billion dollar charge. kayla tausche has more. >> investors see this as a positive. a big move for a new ceo who is just getting his sleeves rolled up. the cuts will span across nearly all of the company's divisions but biggest slice of the pie coming from global consumer banking cutting 6,200 jobs there. the cuts are broad. nearly 2,000 jobs cut from the institutional clients group including investment banking six times the layoffs reported to take place in the securities business earlier this month. jim cramer said earlier that it feels like citigroup has been cutting jobs forever but that's because the bank has downsized by a third since peak employment in 2007. most of that cutting took place after he took the reigns. it will have 261,000 jobs once these cuts are done. the 11,000 announced today is a big
are not are off of that level. american express leading the way. >> no deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, john boehner keeping the dialogue going and even trading new proposals but not stopping them from calling each other out. rich edson is in washington. >> that usually stops or pauses at the very least when there is progress. democrats and republicans have been stuck for weeks. the white house reduced its offer on tax increases for $1.6 trillion to $1.4 trillion including a willingness to begin corporate tax reform. republicans santa white house has to embrace significant spending cuts. >> during our budget we had no new revenue. look at the president's but he has $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in his budget. we have been reasonable, responsible in our approach to this and we will continue to do that. time for the president to do his part. >> democrats say republicans have secured a one trillion dollars in spending cuts, part of last year's the deal and it is time to tax the wealthy. >> it is like a charlie brown cartoon. how many times, how many times is charlie brown going to try to k
for dealing with the fiscal cliff in detroit. connell: peter barnes is in d.c. with the very latest on all of this. peter: neither side is dishing on the meeting yesterday afternoon. both sides issuing identical statement that said "the lines of communication remain open." the best strategy for republicans may be to swallow some higher tax rates, get that issue off the table and then come back to entitlement reform early next year when the president asks for an increase in the debt ceiling. then republicans will have a little more leverage. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i think it has merit. you give the president the 2% increase that he is talking about. there is a growing body. i believe that maybe the best route for us to take. peter: this afternoon, the president will speak in detroit. he will be speaking at and engine company, detroit diesel. obama aides said the company will also announce $100 million new investment and production as part of the president visit. dagen and connell. dagen: thank you very much, peter. peter barnes in washington. connell: groups of union
be aimed at easing the blow if a deal on the fiscal cliff is not reached by year's end. >>> a temporary retraining order and injunction against transcanada took effect today. it stepped construction of a pipeline from canada to the gulf coast. a texas judge issued the order after a private landowner claimed he was defrauded by the company. >>> and stubhub has struck out with several major league baseball clubs. the new york yankees, chicago cubs and l.a. angels of anaheim apparently had enough of their ticket selling less than face value on the website. mlb extended the partnership with stubhub through the year 2017. that is the latest from the fox business network, giving you the power to prosper. melissa: speaker boehner taking the house floor with just 20 days left until we fall off the fiscal cliff. lori: what is so funny about that? melissa: i don't know the image of us diving over the cliff. he says it is time for president obama to get serious. rich edson --. lori: sorry to interrupt. melissa: he has the latest. rich. >> that image is getting closer and closer to reablety here as
cliff is not the answer. a bipartisan approach in washington to get it done. >> we need a deal. we need to rise above. we have fiscal cliff for what may happen at the end of the year. we need a term for what happens if we get back up. phil fiscal grinds, fiscal ladder. i don't know. >> thank you both for joining us. >>> so much for november's better than expected jobs numbers. the former head of president bush's council of economic advisers says the data may not be all it is cracked up to be. he's next. >>> and then later, laura tyson, former head of president clinton's council of economic advisers will weigh in on that and where things snand d.c. as we get closer to those automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. >>> plus, 401(k) is not okay. some news that might worry everyone who's banking on a 401(k) for their retirement. keep it here to find out more. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education
: the fiscal cliff is looking more and more like a ticking time bomb. with 28 days left to strike a deal and no sign of a compromise between democrats and republicans, rich edson looking at his watch counting down those days. he is at the white house. rich? >> ashley more of a sign of trouble as the administration finally acknowledge it is will have it do planning just in case of the beginning of these trillion dollars worth of automatic cuts begins in january. the pentagon saying it will start doing short-term planning. before this the pentagon was doing no planning for automatic cuts that begin. the pentagon says it hasn't communicated to defense contractors yet about what to expect. all the folks here say they're just hoping congress and the white house get on the page on some debt deal. what is it comes to the debt deal the president speaking to the business roundtable a couple hours ago saying tax rates must go up on families earning more than $250,000 a year. republicans say they will take $800 billion in more tax revenue from wealthier americans only through closing deductions. th
even if congress and the white house reach a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. >>> a developing story out of north korea. the country may set off a long range rocket as early as this monday. that's according to media reports in south korea. the rocket is reportedly being fueled, but heavy snowfall may have slowed down preparations. north korea wants to launch what it calls a peaceful satellite sometimes before november 22nd. the u.s. believes the rocket is a cover to test missile technology. >>> president obama is speaking out against ongoing unrest in egypt. he has called egyptian president mohamed morsi to express concern about recent protests that have resulted in numerous deaths and injuries, calling the violence unacceptable. president obama did welcome morsi's call for talks with opposition leaders. this comes after a violent week in cairo. on wednesday night, six were killed and nearly 700 injured in protest outside morsi's palace. >>> this morning d.c. mayor vincent gray will announce a new flood prevention for bloomingdale. this comes after flash floods swamped that neighborhood
to the fiscal cliff, the longer we delay a deal or can't do a deal at all, it's worse for all the shareholders and the investors and the stock market. yes, a deal that does nothing, it simply keeps taxes where they are right now and doesn't cut entitlements, that's what everybody wants. what does matter, believe he, i mean what's going to happen if we do nothing except keep things exactly the way they are now, and just vote to undo the cliff? the rating agencies, they'll downgrade the u.s. debt. but that's it. by the way, we have already proven through nine ways of sunday that the agencies are ridiculous. when our credit rating got downgraded last summer, well, bonds went up in price and down in yield. so why not do nothing? why doesn't the president say we're just going to keep bonds the way they are? and we're not going to cut entitlements because we know if we don't cut taxes, the republicans will go along with their no tax pledge and the markets will go higher and no one will care, for now. but he told us that's not going to happen, and he got re-elected. why doesn't the president get off
week, another week without a deal to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. while today's positive jobs report did give markets a boost early on, it wasn't enough to get a significant rally going and to continue it on. so what's it going to take to get some conviction back in this market? >> that's in today's "closing bell" exchange. gentlemen, great to have you joining us here on "closing bell." i think bill pretty much cede it. what is it going to take to get conviction back in this market? i kind of know the answer, but i want to hear you guys say it. give it a crack, jim. >> clarity. i think some kind of clarity as to what tax rates are going to be in a mere 3 1/2 weeks. so that we can start is making some kind of plan. right now the market's on hold. we're all waiting. >> do we need just a plan, or does it have to be a good plan, jim? >> i think a good plan would obviously be a better plan. a good plan would be less taxes going up than more taxes going up. at this point, even a bad plan might be better than no plan. >> austin, it's clear from this jobs report the economy is stuck i
on that "fiscal cliff." >> there will be no deal without a compromise on taxes. >> state lawmakers fixing their cars on your dime. >> as a taxpayer, you know, it's my money going to it so it's certainly frustrating. >> oakland police fend off the feds. >> most importantly, what they avoid is a complete federal takeover something that would be an embarrassment for the city. >> i have documentation that proves the intense corruption at all levels of the belizian government. >> busted and heading back to belize. silicon valley tycoon john mcafee is now under arrest. >> the dungeness crab season just got started and already, the boats are idle. >> from across the bay -- >> it's just imagine cal for me. >> -- to around the world, the stories that matter on "eyewitness news this morning." >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald captions by: caption colorado comments@captioncolorado.com >>> good morning, it's thursday, december 6. i'm michelle griego. >> hi, everyone. i'm frank mallicoat. it is 6:30 on this thursday. >>> a broken hydrant left a wet mess in downtown san francisco. road
to accept a deal in fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house is pulling out all stops and cranking up the social media campaign. president obama has been encouraging supporters to tweet with the #my2k, explaining what a $2,000 tax increase would mean for them and their families. the white house reports the hash tag has appeared in over 275,000 tweets with twitter seeing more than 18,000 tweets per hour add its peak. the road show coupled with the social media campaign is unprecede unprecedented. this is the kind of effort that helped president obama win a second term. now we'll see if his grassroots army can convince republicans to do what's right by the american people. i'm joined tonight by democratic strategist donna gentile-o'donnell and msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor, michael eric dyson. great to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> i just want to go right to this poll. this quinnipiac poll was released today, and it shows the majority of the american people want tax rates to go up for the top 2%. donna, what about this? i mean, i don't think we
the fiscal cliff all the time. we know it's a big deal. but maybe there are some signs that it's an even bigger deal at this point. there's a story on the money section of the "usa today" talking about investors peering over the cliff at this point. the markets have kind of hung in. now there is this concern that if there's not some sort of movement, or some signs of movement pretty quickly, maybe the market also react. and then there's also the story on the front page of "the wall street journal" talking about how consumer spending is finally showing some signs of cracks. now we know that when first -- we first saw things starting out right after thanksgiving it was pretty strong sales. now the reports have been more mixed. on friday there was a preliminary measure of consumer sentiment from the university of michigan that showed a big drop after four months of gains. i can't help but wonder if that's because of all the coverage of the fiscal cliff and how much it plays into the news media. at this point maybe that's a sign for washington, guys, hurry up and get something done, because
. christine lagarde warned that the american economy won't grow next year without a deal on the fiscal cliff. listen to this. >> my view personally is that the best way to go forward is to have a balanced approach at that takes into account both increasing the revenue, which means, you know, either raising tax or creating new sources of revenue. and cutting spending as well. >> very interesting. europe is deep, deep in a financial crisis and ms. lagarde, who heals from tax the rich, 75% france is lecturing america, very interesting. >> meanwhile, european markets are down and because the italian prime minister mario monti m a surprise. is going to resign. and silvio berlusconi wants to replace him. europe is appalled. and people blaming the recession for not having more children. 64 births for one thousand women of child bearing age. half of the peak of the baby boom in the 1950's. our next guest has six children, counts them. and what's that-- >> and naham segal. that works. >> have i got that word? >> and light tte candles. >> if you light them i will come. >> you have six children. >> as
and congress can't make a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. a source of great concern for so many people, everyone's taxes will go up, will go up if there's no deal. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan lothian. he's on the scene for us over at the white house. how did it go, dan? >> reporter: well, wolf, we've seen the president do this before in the past whenever he's locked in negotiations with lawmakers. he heads out on the road, either goes to a backyard or sits down around a dinner table to put pressure on congress. that's what he did today when he went to falls church sitting down with the santana family. their parents who also are employed live in the household with them. so if taxes do go up on middle class americans, the overall hit on that household will be $4,000. so they're very concerned, but they were quite happy. they said it isn't every day that the president comes by and hangs out at your house. the message the president was trying to drive home today was aimed directly at congress and using this backdrop to tell a personal story. >> for them to be burdene
on wall street modestly higher today i did spite no sign of a deal on the fiscal cliff. take a look how we're settling out this thursday afternoon on wall street. the industrial average at 13,074. the s&p up just a fraction. will the markets get a boost from another cash infusion? ben pace says he's expecting the federal reserve to announce another round of stimulus at the meeting next week. is that what the markets really want right now? ben pace joins me along with chris heize and rick santelli. ben, let's talk fed policy. you think the fed announces qe-4 next week? >> i think it's the fact the twist operation is ending at the ends of the year, and they don't feel compelled to incrementally tighten that. that means it has to be replaced. that's the qe-4, the fact they'll continue to buy to continue to be just as easy as they've been since the september 16th qe- 3 announcement. >> so you think it's a continuation. what's the impact on the market, do you think? is it priced in? are we expecting that? what do you think? >> i think it's generally priced in. the thing that concerns me the mos
on the fiscal cliff before we hit it. represents tim walls is a democrat from minnesota who filed a petition yesterday to force a vote on extending tax cuts for the middle class. congressman, good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to say that the optic beioptics of congressman leaving the capitol right now for another long weekend is extraordinary poor. it is disappointing and to many it is outraging. what do you say? >> i think it is outrageous. i couldn't agree with you more on that. these are good folks. each one of us was elected to represent 650,000 people. i heard it -- i think everyone of the other floor members heard it -- they're tired of the bickering, they're tired of the cliff talk. they want to us compromise and get something done. i proposed yesterday let's find the xron ground. we all agree that tax rates should not go up on folks make makeing $250,000 or less. a family. >> when congress goes home today for a long weekend, who pays for the travel? >> the taxpayers pay for it. they just flew us out on monday. we took two votes. we didn't vote until 6:30 th
this up do we go over the fiscal cliff? >> yes. probably. 55% to 60% and early january they strike some kind of deal that allows the administration to say there decreasing taxes from what they went to in january 1st. i say 60% we are going over the cliff. dave: we are playing with fire if that happens. a lot of people say even if it is temporary it might push us into recession. quickly, you think that is possible that we will? >> certainly possible. interesting the consensus have gone from 50% to 60%. a month or two ago we were not going to go over the cliff. i agree that is completely flipped on its head and the only president in recent memory who headed debt ceiling in summer of 2011, all through july everyone was confident we were going to get a deal and we saw what happened. a little bit of cash on the sidelines to reload the. of the goal of the cliff, is not a bad thing for investors. dave: still a scary time. the possibility that we could go into recession as a result of that. thank you very much. michael, phil, we will check in with you in a couple minutes when the s&p futures cl
until our economy falls off the tax and fiscal cliff. just where do we stand on a deal coming out of washington, d.c.? cnbc correspondent joins us with all the details. >> reporter: as you know the white house's strategy since the election has been to break republican resistance on two issues. one is tax rates and one is an increase in the debt limit. he hasn't succeeded or budged off that attempt so far which is why john boehner came out in a news conference today and slammed the white house for not being willing to compromise. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counter offer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk or economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> a few hours later you had a slight indication of flexibility from the administration. vice president joe biden was out. he reiterated those two nonnegotiable demands on the part of the administration but said the actual amount of that top rat
before the best deal the middle class in this country is going to get is if we go over the fiscal cliff. here's what will happen if we don't. here's what the compromise will do. there will be a small tax increase on people who could pay more. there will be no tax increase on middle class people fine in the short run and not long run because we can't about the budget without tax increases. the pentagon will get more money. this is note a good deal -- when -- i'll tell you what happens in the deal. the republicans get a good deal, the democrats are going to get a good deal, and the american people get screwed once again. this is not the right way to do it. we need to deal with the deficit now. this will take a big $4 trillion -- $7.3 trillion over ten years bite out of deficit. that is a significant amount of money. we have to stop kicking the can down the road. the politicians made a deal. now they should stick to it. >> it feels like we're going to be in for a significant period of real austerity like we haven't felt in decades. >> this is not real austerity. >> we've had the worst econ
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